
The Ukrainian community in Australia — including Ukrainian ambassador to Australia Vasyl Myroshnychenko — is calling for the government to expel Russia’s diplomatic staff following the country’s attempted annexation of four Ukrainian regions.
It follows Foreign Minister Penny Wong’s announcement that the government is “considering” expelling Russian ambassador Dr Alexey Pavlovsky following the country’s sham referendum to annex four regions of Ukraine. In response, Pavlovsky fronted the media to accuse Australians of being “brainwashed”, warning that if he were to be expelled from Australia, Australian ambassador to the Russian Federation Graeme Meehan would equally be expunged.
“Reciprocity is a basic principle for interstate relations,” he said.
Myroshnychenko told Crikey if equality was the ambassador’s concern, then expelling a number of Russian staff was the right way to go.
“If we’re talking about reciprocity, then perhaps Australia for starters should aim to equal the number of diplomats at the Russian mission to the number of Australian ones posted in Moscow,” he said.
Russia currently has an embassy in Canberra and consulates in Sydney, Queensland and South Australia. The offices of the Consulate-General of the Russian Federation didn’t reply to questions about staffing levels. But Australia has just three offices in Russia — its Moscow embassy and St Petersberg and Vladivostok consulates, which serve Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan (along with an office in Serbia). The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade was unable to provide Crikey with staffing level numbers.
Co-chair of the Australian Federation of Ukrainian Organisations (AFUO) Stefan Romaniw echoed Myroshnychenko’s calls.
“Seven months of Russia’s terrorist actions in Ukraine should trigger every diplomatic tool available to Australia to condemn Russia,” he said. “[Pavlovsky] should not be allowed to hide behind diplomatic language and talk about the need for continued ‘dialogue and communication’ when the facts are there for anyone to see.”
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese called for Russian diplomats to be expelled in April following the revelations of the Bucha massacre, prior to the election. Romaniw said his organisation wrote to Albanese’s office in July asking him to follow through.
“The AFUO wrote to the PM in July reminding him that as opposition leader he called on the Australian government after the Bucha massacres to expel Russian diplomats; that ‘sickening abuses being carried out by Russian forces’ must trigger immediate consequences; and that Australia must act in lockstep with European partners by ordering Russian diplomats and staff to leave Australia,” he said.
So far no announcement has been made, though in late August the National Capital Authority terminated Russia’s lease agreement to build a new embassy in the Canberra suburb of Yarralumla due to unfinished construction. Ukraine is considering taking over the lease for its own new embassy, though Russia has launched legal action against Australia.
Director of defence, strategy and national security at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute Michael Shoebridge tells Crikey expelling diplomats was a standard procedure. He supported the calls from the Ukrainian community.
“An autocrat trying to dismember a sovereign state is in our interest to oppose here in the Indo-Pacific,” he said.
“I think showing solidarity with Ukraine and acting in concert with our European democratic partners makes sense.”
Limiting the number of Russian diplomatic staff could also limit Russia’s intelligence-gathering capabilities, with concerns any number of administrative or technical staff could be working as undeclared intelligence operatives.
“The Russian embassy has intelligence operations … and it’s normal Russian practice for some of those to be undeclared,” Shoebridge said.
DFAT didn’t respond to Crikey’s request for comment by deadline.
We don’t like what the Russians are doing, so we “cancel” their Diplomats.
Seriously? Then we have no means to have any diplomatic discussions with Russia, including discussions re-affirming Australia’s position.
That’s better than what Putin does to Russians when he “cancels” them…
Quality reply. You showed him…real good
Not to mention better than what the US does either. Threats abound.
Here are just 10 of the people that Putin has murdered (apart from the Ukrainians getting murdered right now):
Boris Nemtsov, 2015
Boris Berezovsky, 2013
Stanislav Markelov and Anastasia Baburova, 2009
Sergei Magnitsky, 2009
Natalia Estemirova, 2009
Anna Politkovskaya, 2006
Alexander Litvinenko, 2006
Sergei Yushenkov, 2003
Yuri Shchekochikhin, 2003
Wow, a list! Without evidence I may say as well. Call me when these are proven in a real court of law instead of the Millennial Kangaroo court of unproven public opinion.
Another personal attack. I think you should be banned permanently from Crikey for continuing with those. It lowers the tone of debate.
I didn’t think you cared about evidence. I’ve never seen you cite links in your posts.
Your mates were saying how good western media is, so-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/
Requesting evidence and offering an opinion on a generation is not a personal attack.
As I said, call me when these are proven in a real court of law instead of the Millennial Kangaroo court of unproven public opinion.
These are allegations, not evidence. As to “lowering the tone of debate”, check your own posts Sport.
BTW. Debate requires differing opinions, not an Echo chamber.
And when up to seven posters pile on with down votes for pro-Ukrainian comments seven posters pile on with up votes for pro-Putin comments – that’s an Echo chamber.
That just reflects those posters views on Ukraine fanboi comments that are intolerant of any other posters views. Free speech is obviously only permitted if you agree with pro-Ukrainian views eh?
It’s attacking someone because of their age.
Age discrimination. Clear cut.
I don’t care about the age, it’s the Millennial attitude that I have an issue with. They are unable to enter into an actual debate and live in an echo chamber.
How many civilians did the coalition of the willing slaughter in Iraq?
This is now a war by the West to unseat Putin and the West is happy to fight to the last Ukranian.
So it’s like WW2 and the West fighting to get rid of Hitler then?
And why did anyone want to unseat Hitler – a friend of the USSR which Putin celebrates?
OTD in 1939 USSR & its Nazi German allies signed “German-Soviet Boundary & Friendship Treaty” in Moscow just few days after our joint Victory Parade. As a supplemental to the one that divided Europe, it tried to end Poland’s existence, liberating Poland from the Polish.@DarthPutinKGB
Suggesting the Russians were friends of Nazi Germany is wrong.Before invading Poland, Germany invited Russia to join the invasion and get half of Poland as a buffer zone, lest Russia got nervy with Panzers approaching the Poland/Russia border. Stalin jumped at it. Like Churchill would have.
Sure and the Ribbentrop Pact and the “Secret Supplementary Protocol” recognising that Lithuania falls to the sphere of the USSR – same thing huh?
The Russians were not “friends” of Nazi Germany – they had a pact! And Secret Supplementary Protocols!
I’m not sure what interests Australia has, for us to need an embassy in Russia any longer!
The other duties could be dealt with by a new Australian embassy in Kazakhstan, serving the central Asian states.
Time to drop Moscow.
Better to drop our embassy in the US, preferably from a great height down a deep hole – the Langley VA telex direct to the Lodge is more than adequate to issue instructions to this satrap.
Sad to read that my purchase of Crikey subscription has gone to, yet another, blinkered, unreasoning, unquestioning Pro Perma-War USA publication. I suppose Russia blew up it’s own gas pipelines? And Russia shelled it’s own Nuclear Power plant? People do not swallow such empty-headed propaganda anymore in the internet age. So, Amber should thoroughly reasearch the situation and comment on the whole story (unless getting a future job in the Mainstream Press is her priority)
She’s unemployable anywhere else.
Crikey, when commenters are making completely baseless comments about your (award winning) journalists it’s about time to moderate them or even close it down for Ukraine stories?
That’s called Censorship. Censorship is something that millenials seem to like it seems (of course only on opinions that don’t match their own opinionated, intolerant, drama queen, virtue signalling views on whatever the latest thing that said millenials “identify” with). Surely millenials support free speech or is it only free speech that agrees with their views?
Crikey Moderators – more age discrimination here.
Nothing to do with age. Everything to do with attitude.
Thanks Amber. US spies admit Ukraine killed Darya Dugina
RT, always a good source of impartial news!
Actually *Bruce* it’s all over the net from multiple sources.
Since when did you believe anything that wasn’t from your friends at Putin Propaganda Central?
Putin Propaganda Central? Is that the new name for the BBC, CNN, ABC and pretty much every Western Media outlet? After all, these have been proven for decades as only spouting the Western view on anything and everything (particularly when it suits the objectives of the Golden Billion).
Your post misunderstands my post.
Here’s some Russian media instead which should be easier for you – but you gotta feel sorry for the poor guy.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1577740220509962250
Like the BBC, ABC and CNN eh?
So now these sources are reliable?
Can you understand sarcasm?
You weren’t being sarcastic when you named those sources “and pretty much every Western Media outlet” as being reliable sources for news about the war in Ukraine.
Missed the plot again. I was responding to a comment on RT. The BBC, ABC and CNN only ever push the views of the Golden Billion. Lots of balance in that eh?
TonyP
“Actually *Bruce* it’s all over the net from multiple sources.”
lexusaussie
“Putin Propaganda Central? Is that the new name for the BBC, CNN, ABC and pretty much every Western Media outlet?”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/05/us/politics/ukraine-russia-dugina-assassination.html
Again – suddenly you like the NY Times.
Here’s some more news from them.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/06/world/russia-ukraine-war-news#critics-say-russias-military-was-unprepared-for-war
Woop de do. The topic of discussion was the Ukraine terrorist murder of a Russian civilian in Russia. Stay on topic or is that too much to ask?
We will always be “on topic” if your friends at Putin Propaganda Central get their way. They want “total information control” like in China-
https://twitter.com/MarcYanofsky/status/1578082010563649537?cxt=HHwWgoClocjOvOYrAAAA
Amber seems to be fully on the Ukraine good Russia bad bandwagon. She should read Jeffrey Sachs, Noam Chomsky, Alfred de Zayas, Tony Kevin, Mary Kostakidis among the many real thinkers who challenge this one sided account. In fact any of these is far more worth reading on this subject, than anything Amber writes. This continued bias in in full accord with the wall to wall pro Ukrainian guff which permeates virtually all western media. There is another side to this conflict which a serious publication would explore. I hoped for better from Crikey. Time for a rethink on the next subscription.?
Yes, absolutely time for you to stop subscribing!
So it seems you are also brainwashed with all of the Western Media’s propagandized Reporting.
And the answer to anyone that thinks a bit more rationally, and is prepared to listen to various sources to try and arrive at a more balanced viewpoint, should just be “cancelled”.
So during WW2 we should have listened to Goebbels, Lord Haw Haw, Tokyo Rose and … you?
So just before the Iraq war 2 we should have listened to who.
Don’t worry about “Junior Citizen”. You can always tell a Millennial, just not much!! He calls anything that disagrees with his views as “Whataboutery” (unless he is using it for his purposes). Pretty lousy “example” he provided anyway, we were actually at war with Germany, Italy and Japan, not just following US orders and “supporting” a white, European country (that we actually are not allied with) as we are now.
Name calling. A sure sign that your side is winning.
“Day 224 of my 3 day war. Russian army is holding the line. It’s just that the “line” keeps moving towards Russia. I remain a master strategist.”
@DarthPutinKGB
No name calling. Just the truth. A Millennial through and through.
Yes very frustrating. It reminds me of a typical B rated American movie with the kindergarten Kiddies in the sand pit. The bully “USA” who has provoked the the awkward bear and intimidating all the other kiddies to tease the bear into committing and offence so the bear may be “punished”.
Subjective terms like “following the country’s sham referendum” and not calling the US presidential Elections a sham election a dead giveaway. Guarantee the president is elected by the majority of the citizens instead of a manipulated collegiate.
Crikey Moderator – Age Discrimination
As one should be at least 12, with at similar reading age, it’s odd that you slipped through.
I could never work out what cancel culture was. Now I know it’s a a btl response encouraging a fellow commenter to do what he suggested he might do. Thanks.
Silence all who you oppose. “The Revolution will be complete when the language is perfect.”
― George Orwell, 1984
So you must be objecting really strongly to Putin silencing his opponents by killing them?
You must be objecting then to the thousands of Ukrainian deaths caused by Zelenskyy refusing to even negotiate peace then?
What makes you think that Russian soldiers treat their captives humanely?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-03/torture-sites-russia-sowed-pain-fear-in-izium-ukraine/101497280
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-conflict-how-both-sides-are-breaking-the-law-on-prisoners-of-war-184701
https://m.bild.de/politik/international/bild-international/did-these-gold-teeth-really-come-from-victims-of-torture-81536330.bildMobile.html?t_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
It seems that you believe western media this time so I’ll quote that link that you just sent me-
“It is not clear where the gas mask came from that can be seen on the other photo. One thing is certain: gruesome torture did take place in the village, just as in many other places occupied by the Russians. Several locals told BILD that they kept hearing cries for help from various buildings.
Volodya (46) was one of the victims of torture by the Russian soldiers in Pisky-Radkivski. A neighbour had denounced him as pro-Ukrainian. Volodya: “They just took me with them. While I was beaten, they said to me: ‘If you don’t work for us, we’ll shoot you in the legs, and that’s it’. The other one said: ‘We should shoot him in the legs, we’ll have to deal with him just like with the other one’. The room and ceiling were full of bullet holes. I think they wanted to scare the person who was there before me.”
Andrey (46) was held by the Russians for weeks. His wife Olga told BILD: “About eight people came to our farm. Two controlled our papers. They gave me my papers back, but they took my husband with them, because he was on the list.”
Andrey was gone for two months. Russian soldiers kept him in a basement for five days, beat him up, and transported him to different cities and places. He was forced to clean the streets there. Later, they forced him to dig trenches in Lyman for the Russian soldiers.”
This is what you are a cheer squad for.
Look up what we did in Afghanistan and Iraq (and are still “investigating”). BTW. The article in BILD exposed the Ukrainian disinformation that “obviously a pile of teeth must come from torture victims” when they really came from the local Dentist over years. Just something you obviously overlooked.
I’m not on the cheer squad for either Spewtin or Zelenskum either BTW. I think both countries and their leaders are as bad as each other is all but you only believe what one side does don’t you?
Does “Kuwaiti babies thrown out of incubators!” ring a bell?
How about “Belgian babies on Hun bayonets!”?
Classic “both sides” response.
Russia is exporting torture to Ukraine by invading it.
https://twitter.com/leloveluck/status/1577200687947345920?cxt=HHwWgMDTievqq-MrAAAA
Just as the UK, US and Australia did in Iraq!
So you oppose Russia’s invasion of Ukraine? That’s great.
Basic question: Who invaded whom? Russia started this war, its goal is to conquer and destroy Ukraine. If it succeeds it will attack Georgia and then the Baltic States. Putin and the Russian elites have been very clear on the goal of reconquering former Tsarist lands.
You don’t to cite “real thinkers” who think it’s all about them and their problems with America. It is about the freedom and continued existence of Ukraine, its culture, its democracy and its people. Russia must be stopped, it’s very simple.
The Russians invaded Georgia in 2008 to stop the atrocities against ethnic minorities (not just Russians but Muslims) in South Ossetia & Abkhasia – it was over in a few days.
The Russians withdrew and the Georgians were made aware of what would happen if they did not behave.
Pity the Ukraine didn’t take the hint and stop the Azov attacks on the Donbass.
It’s interesting that you seem glad about the Georgians.
But that’s crazy about Ukraine – it has got much of its lands back.
“The only people now afraid of the Russian military are Russian men of military age.” @DarthPutinKGB
https://central.asia-news.com/en_GB/articles/cnmi_ca/features/2022/06/24/feature-02
Perhaps you should also “correct” these peoples attitudes as well.
” A Russian lawmaker made thinly veiled threats against Kazakhstan after Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev refused to recognise the so-called “Donetsk People’s Republic” (DPR) or “Luhansk People’s Republic” (LPR).”
Given the name you go by, presumably the Kazakhstan people have more lived experience with Russia, so you could be quite busy getting them on the right direction.
Thank God the USA doesn’t do that sorta stuff 🙂
But at least the USA is on the right side this time and is helping Ukraine against the invading Russians.
Wow, a single lawmaker made a statement! News at 11.
Wait! There’s lots more news – like new Russian recruits rebelling.
“Russian media reported that mobilized men in the Belgorod region are rebelling because of terrible conditions, lack of food and roof, and that they were given decommissioned weapons. In the videos, they claim that among 500 new drafters many got cold, weren’t assigned to any unit” @HannaLiubakova
And Russians in Kherson beginning to surrender:
“The Russian Occupiers in the Kherson direction began to surrender together with military equipment” @Igor_from_Kyiv
Twitter? Really?
So you’re not going to engage with whether or not it’s true?
A bit like your coming responses to the details of the Russians soldiers massacres of Ukrainian civilians that are about to come out as Russians retreat –
1 It never happened
2 They were Nazis so deserved what didn’t happen
3 NATO/Soros/Ukraine staged it
4 What didn’t happen to Nazis who deserved it/actors who staged it was a biolab
5 What about Iraq
@darthputinKGB
IgorfromKyiv sounds like a clone of Comical Ali in Baghdad, circa 2003.
Guess you oppose both the invasion of Iraq and the invasion of Ukraine?
Mmm, the Russian government is shot through with corruption, built around a gangster regime/protection racket. Not untypical of the post communist world. However, they’ve done it bigger and better for longer. The current state of the the equipment of the Russian army is no doubt due to how much tribute was taken off the top during the last 12 odd years of “re-building” and “modernising” said military forces. Corruption infects the whole state. A large number of the over-supply of Russian diplomats here will just be mediocrities on cushy sinecures, who you wouldn’t trust near the milk money. There will be a smattering of serious intelligence and agitprop officers but even their ranks tend to be infected, not least in bending to what the Kremlin does and doesn’t want to hear. Throwing out any of these will be of some salience and even save the Russian taxpayers some dollars, take it as an Australian gift to them. A few of the ranks might even defect rather than go. After all the threat of mobilisation, or at least the cost of avoiding it, awaits at home.
Agree but the same level of corruption is also endemic in the Ukraine too. Both as bad as each other.
Russia is worse for corruption. Awful morale and oligarchs stole all the military money. You haven’t bothered to offer any evidence or links for your outrageous statements (as usual.)
Another personal attack (using the Millennial scale of course). Anyone that disagrees with you is automatically attacking you aren’t they?
As to evidence, it’s been posted here many times but obviously that is inconvenient for you isn’t it? Just one example for those in need of remedial assistance:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/20/1112414884/corruption-concerns-involving-ukraine-are-revived-as-the-war-with-russia-drags-o
You like Western media – that’s great!
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/06/1127299718/two-russians-seek-asylum-alaska-island
Wow! 2 Russians!
It is new. All the evidence about Russians fleeing the Russian military into Georgia and other countries is old news now-
https://news.yahoo.com/more-russian-men-now-fled-101919295.html